PS3 will ship with 60GB HDD, run linux OS.

It seems Sony is going to make the PS3 a Linux computer along with a gaming machine. Bizarre.

Quote:
Impress PC Watch: The PlayStation 3 has some extremely high specifications, but it doesn't come with an HDD. Why?

Ken Kutaragi: We're not going to equip [the PS3 with] an HDD by default, because no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough. The next step is definitely network drives. With the Cell server, they can be accessed from anywhere, via network. Whether it's your own house [or] your friend's house, you can access the [network hard drive] anywhere. That's the kind of world we're imagining. But there are still some issues if the machine doesn't come with an HDD. So this time, we've added a 2.5-inch HDD bay so that users can equip HDDs, such as 80GB and 120GB, even though that's still not enough [capacity]. Although a network drive would allow for terabytes of storage, there's still the necessity to run an operating system offline. A hard drive for running an OS will be required for [the PS3] to be recognized as a computer.

IPCW: Do you mean to say that you'll run an OS on the PS3 to use it as a computer?

KK: I believe its wrong that, while we've been calling PlayStations "computers," Nintendo, which is in our same business, keeps telling the world their consoles are "toys." So even though we're making something that has the capability to be recognized as a supercomputer and requires paperwork when exporting or importing, the government sees it as a "toy." The PlayStation 2 has something as great as the Emotion Engine, and it can even run Linux, but it's still considered a gaming machine. I thought that the situation would become better since Microsoft appeared [in the gaming industry] from the IT field. But they won't say it either, since they want to protect their business. They see problems if the Xbox could run Windows, so they keep calling the Xbox a "game machine." It is really a pain in the neck. This time, we're positioning the PS3 as a "supercomputer." But people won't recognize it as a computer unless we call it a computer, so we're going to run an OS on it. In fact, the Cell can run multiple OSes. In order to run the OSes, we need an HDD. So in order to declare that the PS3 is a computer, I think we'll have [the PS3's HDD] preinstalled with Linux as a bonus.

IPCW: So Linux can be run on the Cell?

KK: Linux is legacy, but it will be a start. In the case of the Cell, operation systems are applications. The kernel will be running on the Cell, and multiple OSes will be running on top of that as applications. Of course, the PS3 can run Linux. If Linux can run, so can Lindows. Other PC Operating Systems can run too, such as Windows and Tiger (Max OS X 10.4), if the publishers want [them] to do so. Maybe a new OS might come out.

IPCW: Does that mean that we can expect applications that take advantage of the Cell, aside from games?

KK: As an example, HD video-editing software is basically the same as the nonlinear editing system used in broadcasting stations. What we're trying to do on the PS3 is that level of software. Nonlinear editing systems are incredible, but if it was done on the Cell, it would be even more incredible... The difference will be obvious. I think other PC applications, like photo-retouching software, will also be able to be done on the PS3. The user interface will also get interesting. In the case of the PC, users will have to wait for years between XP's UI to Longhorn's. But the PS3's UI will evolve much faster. For example, if we had an interface where we could control applications using gestures and words using the EyeToy, it would be like Minority Report. Of course, that kind of an evolution will also reflect on games. This will be the first form that [the Cell] will be spread. It can connect a keyboard, and it has all the necessary interfaces. It can run media, and it can run on a network. It's got such an all-around purpose, and it's open. It will become completely open if we equip it with Linux, and programmers will be able to do anything with it. It's the same thing with the graphics, since it's got the shaders.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html

This makes sense to me. The HDD will have nothing to do with gaming. All it will do is turn the PS3 into a computer. A Linux PC........a really powerful Linux PC.

Interesting.

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PS3 will ship with 60GB HDD, run linux OS.

Sorry, I just see all of this as a justification for paying for the higher price. All I can do is do the "Wait and See" approach. I figure that at least initially there will be some PS3 units available at launch time for a small amount of time. I suspect that there will be a lot of us doing the same.

Yellow Dog Linux

It looks like Yellow Dog Linux has worked out a deal with Sony to be a commercial, downloadable version of Linux that will run on the hardware.

Seen on EvilAvatar of all things.

I'm really surprised.

The use of the Enlightenment dev team is big. They're responsible for one of the flashiest and snazziest GNOME-based Linux Desktop UI's around, at least it was last time I used a Linux Desktop OS, and their selection to do the UI means it'll be pretty and optimized for the graphical hardware in the PS3, at the very least.

The press release of their selection as a vendor actually gives installation details:

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A single-click installer enables absolutely anyone to install without instruction. Post-install, the default suite of applications presents an intuitive, self-guided means of exploring Linux without the confusion of multiple applications in the same family. An Advanced installer mode enables selection from greater than fifteen hundred packages, as is expected from a complete Linux distribution.

And it won't be free, either.
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As a guest of IBM at the annual SC2006 tradeshow, Nov 13-16, Tampa, Florida, Terra Soft will showcase Yellow Dog Linux v5.0, Y-HPC v2.0 beta, and Y-Bio v1.1. Yellow Dog Linux v5.0 for PLAYSTATION 3 will be made available through YDL.net Enhanced accounts, through the Terra Soft on-line Store, retailers, and public mirrors world-wide.

Or will it? Public mirrors?

The real key will be how often it'll be updated. If Terra Soft digs in and really keeps it current and upgraded, then it could be a contender for a full-fledged media center-in-your-living room networked OS.

The devil is, of course, in the details. What media formats will it play? What licenses will Sony let it get from itself? From Microsoft?

And of course if price is anything more than the current commercial desktop Linux providers then it will probably not get much traction.

But if the price is right, you can bet that you'll be seeing web server howto's for everyone to set up websites on their PS3's.

Re: I'm not wrong yet.

Infinity wrote:
I'm not wrong yet Mr. Woo. Not yet.

The PS2 Linux Kit had lots of limitations in terms of what you could do with it. You couldn't access lots of the internals of the system. Couldn't program the GPU's or anything like that. Sure it was Linux, but Sony didn't give out its proprietary driver code.

I didn't say you were wrong, just said woo.

I'm not wrong yet.

I'm not wrong yet Mr. Woo. Not yet.

The PS2 Linux Kit had lots of limitations in terms of what you could do with it. You couldn't access lots of the internals of the system. Couldn't program the GPU's or anything like that. Sure it was Linux, but Sony didn't give out its proprietary driver code.

Re: hot air

Infinity wrote:
It's all hot air. He's just trying to blather on while distracting from the fact that they won't be shipping a HDD.

Nobody will run any closed-source OS on it, and Sony will never allow any open source OS to do anything with their proprietary video, audio and IO systems. See: The Linux Kit for PS2 and all its limitations.

Woo!

hot air

It's all hot air. He's just trying to blather on while distracting from the fact that they won't be shipping a HDD.

Nobody will run any closed-source OS on it, and Sony will never allow any open source OS to do anything with their proprietary video, audio and IO systems. See: The Linux Kit for PS2 and all its limitations.

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